||Shri||
||SitaRam||
||Shrimad Janaki-Vallabho Vijayatetram||
A devotee has been troubled by a claim raised by a person affiliated to a religious organisation and belonging to a particular sect. He asked me to help him.
He was told in "Hare Ram" mantra the name Ram doesn't come for Ram the consort of Sita, but it comes for either Bala-Ram or lord Krishna.
However this is nothing but a false propaganda to say the name Ram doesn't refer to Sita-Pati Ram in Hare Ram Mantra.
Truth is whenever the name Ram comes for Aadi-purusa it refers to Lord Ram, so who is that Ram? He is the consort of Bhagavati Sita, the elder of Lakshman, the one worshiped by Hanuman constantly, (- Srimad Bhagavatam 5.19.1, https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10151203268130382 ), the one who is meditated by lord Shiva constantly, the one who sports in heart of Kak-Bhusundi.
And in fact Bhagavatam says - There is no one equal to Ram, so what to talk anyone greater than him in first place!
So can anyone estimate the offense committed and sins accumulated by the blind followers who say there is no lord Ram in hare Ram Mantra everywhere?
If someone preaches such nonsense, then he is not fooling ordinary people but he is sinner of his own soul.
So people should not take seriously such blind followers and .
Why Ram Naam in Hare Ram Mantra refers to Lord Ram.
Reasons are as below:-
1) I give a very simple logic to all those who feel there is no Lord Ram in Hare Ram Mantra...but someone else.
I ask - Whose Glory has been described in not only one but 100 crore (Shatkoti) Ramayanas ("Rama" + Ayana)..? Is it very difficult to answer?
Is the word "RamayaNa" not enough to know when we talk about supreme personality then the name "Ram" refers to whom?
Anyways I ask again, So how many scriptures are completely devoted to Bala-Ram? Not even one!
Because Bala-Rama is mere a servant of Akhil-Brahmand Nayak Sarveshwar Bhagavan Shri Ram. Many times in Shrimad Bhagavatam, it is said Bala-Rama is amsha-avatar of lord Krishna, not the Parambrahman or supreme god himself.
But Lord Ram is Primeval-Purusa, The Aadi-Deva not only in Shrimad Bhagavatam but throughout in all Vedic-scriptures in one voice.
One should not behave like a blind and so not being able to recognize the blazing brilliant shining sun in sky in mid-noon even after having two eyes! Otherwise those souls would be ridiculed in all the worlds.
The one who has not seen Shri Rama and the one whom Shri Rama has not yet seen, that unfortunate one is blamed and ridiculed in all the worlds and by all the people and (to the extent that) that person’s own self blames him of it.
The moment Shri Ram casts his benign look upon us, our life becomes successful from that instant alone.
2) If one would ask a simple village child who is known by the name "Rama"?
His possible answers would be any of these:-
- Ram is Bhagavan.
- Ram is the hero of RamayaNa.
- Ram is the lord of Ayodhya.
- Ram is the consort of Sita, elder of Lakshman.
Most probably He would laugh on this question and say - "Don't You know Ram who is he, are you really serious? if you don't know, then let me tell you who is Ram whom whole world knows, He is Bhagavan, He is hero of RamayaNa."
He would never tell name Ram refers to Bala-Ram or someone who has kept this sweet name in his village.
3) In "Hare Ram Hare Krishna" Mantra there are sixteen words which are told to be names of Aadi-Purusa NarayaNa.. we clearly know He is Ram who is told to be Aadi-Purusa in all Vedic scriptures starting from Rig Veda through Valmiki Ramayana and 1 billion Ramayanas to Shrimad Bhagavatam.
however for a moment if someone assumes Ram in Hare Ram mantra has come for Bala-Rama, then Kali-Santaran Upanishad refutes such assumptions and it would have never been said all these 16 words refer to Aadi-purusa NarayaNa... (Aadi-narayaNa is lord Ram).
From Kali-Sanataran Upanishad Itself-
bhagavata AdipuruShasya nArAyaNasya nAmoccAraNamAtreNa nirdhRtakalir
bhavati| nAradah punah papraccha tannAma kimiti | 3
"'By merely uttering the names of the "Primeval Purusha", who is Bhagavan Aadi-Narayana (Shri Ram), one is freed from the clutches of Kali.' Narada asked again: 'What are those names of Narayana?'"
sa hovaca hiraNyagarbhah |
hare rAma hare rAma rAma rAma hare hare |
hare kRShNa hare kRShNa kRShNa kRShNa hare hare |
iti ShoDaSakam nAmnAm kalikalmaShanASanam |
nAtah parataropAyah sarvavedeShu dRSyate | 4
Then BrahmA said to Narada those names of Aadi-Purusa NarayaNa are::
'O Hari, O Rama, O Hari, O Rama, O Rama O Rama, O Hari, O Hari!
O Hari, O Krishna, O Hari, O Krishna, O Krishna O Krishna, O Hari, O Hari!
So thinking the mantra refers to Bala-Ram the servant of Ram (Krishna) instead of master Ram himself is foolishness to the core.
4) Bala-Rama is mere servant of lord Ram or Lord Krishna..and in fact Bala-Ram's position as being elder brother of Krishna is not eternal.. as no one could be elder brother of the Primeval Purusa lord Ram or Lord Krishna.
So believing everything like a blind man without logics is nature of fools...and a sincere truth seeker must stop buying such weird things.
So saying it refers to Bala-Rama, the servant of Rama, instead of Rama the master of servant is nothing but a joke. We should feel pity for those fools who propagate such non-sense among general people..who don't have proper knowledge of Vedic-scriptures.
5) In reality Ram is primeval god.. the first Primeval-Purusa and later on his "younger" brothers were manifested for Leela. No one can be elder to the primeval Purusa Rama..
6) Anyone can keep the most glorious name "Ram", but that doesn't make him equal to Ram, isn't it? So It is glory and attraction of the name of Lord Ram that even his amsha-avataras like Parashu-Ram and Bala-Rama assumed the eternal name of Bhagavan Shri Ram... but it didn't make them equal to Ram in anyway.
(read about Parashuram here: https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=462747330415176 )
7) So Why does name "Ram" refer to Ram alone?
When Lord Shiva talks about the glory of Lord Ram in Padma-Puran, he says:-
Rama Nama Parambrahman Sarvadevadhikam Mahat
[Padma-Puran]
Rama Naam is ITSELF Parambrahman and hence greater than all gods combined.
Such glory is never described for any other name, because Ram Naam is the most perfect name sung by all.
It is told to be Parambrahman ITSELF and direct denote to Parambrahman.. in Ram-Tapniya-Upanishad. (Ved-PramaNa)
However other names like Krishna, NarayaNa, VishNu are synonym to Parambrahman, but Ram Naam is ITSELF Parambrahman.
So whenever we refer to Aadi-purusa or Parambrahman by name 'Rama', It means we are referring to the name of prince of Saket-Loka, Shri Ram, not to me if I keep the most beautiful name Rama or not to his another servant Bala-Rama. Only Shri Ram is the Brahman, rest all are his servants.
So why is there name of lord Krishna?
In world there are various types of people, everyone has their own Ishta-Deva, so one would like to see his Ishta Deva in Mantra.. so there are names of Krishna and Hari (lord VishNu) also.
One may not be devoted to chant the direct denote to Parambrahman "Ram" Naam as chanted by great divinities like Hanuman, and Lord Shiva etc. So There are another names of Parambrahman.
9) So in reality there is name of Lord Ram the Aadi-Purusa in Hare Ram Hare Krishna Mantra... However people devoted to lord Krishna should think name Ram refers to lord Krishna (but never to Bala-Rama as he is mere servant of Supreme-Purusa) and people devoted to Lord Ram should think name Ram, Hari and Krishna refers to supreme Purusa Ram if they want to chant Hare Ram Mantra.
So how the name Krishna refers to lord Ram also-
In fact in the Vedavatar Valmiki RamayaNa which is the most and first ancient scripture after eternal Vedas, Lord BrahmA has said these names for lord Rama -
So lord BrahmA says - O' lord Ram, You are Lord VishNu, You are lord Krishna (or You will incarnate as Lord Krishna) and in fact You are supreme ruler of all creatures.
So the name Krishna can also be employed to call Lord Ram...
It is specialty with name of "Ram" that it is enough to chant Ram.. Ram.. like this without any addition of other words or name... in fact the first primeval sound Pranava "Aum" and "Ram" are same and one as per Panini-Vyakaran.
10) Some people who are devoted to Yugal-Sarkar Shri Sita-Ram or Shri Radha-Krishna, they can have this Bhaav (feeling) that Hare word refers to either Sita or Radha Ji.
11) So what is Vedic-Vidhi of Chanting this Mantra?
The correct order of Chanting this Mantra is in first Hare Ram, then Hare Krishna as like this:
Hare Ram Hare Ram Ram Ram Hare Hare
Hare Krishna Hare Krishna Krishna Krishna Hare Hare
Another authority is Satvika-PuraNa Padma PuraNa whenever Hare Ram Hare Krishna is said there is original order of Hare Ram in first and then Hare Krishna...
12) Devotees of Lord Krishna could chant name of Ram with enthusiasm, so one can think the name Ram refers to Radha + Madhav.
But in reality the name "Ram" always refers to the Supreme Purusa Shri Ram the consort of Sita who dwells in the supreme abode "Ayodhya" if taken in sense of primeval-Purusa and we know scriptures glorify the name of Supreme purusa alone.
Isn't it the greatness of the name of lord Ram, that it constitutes many such meanings like Ram = Radha + Madhava. So a Krishna devotee can chant Just "Ram" Naam for Yugal Sarkar Radha Madhava.
It is because the name "Ram" is not just a name but it is ITSELF Param-Brahman as well as a Bija-Mantra (seed mantra) which gives several meanings. It is Param-Mantra.
Scriptures say for Sita-Ram Bhakts they should take Ram = Ram (Ra) + Sita (Ma-Kaar = Maa Sita). In fact this is is the more perfect meaning as Ma (Ma-Kaar seed) denotes to Swarupa-Shakti Sita. Without presence of Ma-Kaar in any Mantra, It would not yield any fruit or bliss to devotee... so there is inseparable Ma-Kaar in "Aum" and "Ram" so we have to have Ma-Kaar in any Mantra .
In Padma-PurAna, Lord Shiva Says to Parvati:
The divine fruits one achieves by chanting all other Mantras and all the Vedas; billions of times of that fruits one can easily obtain just by uttering Rama-nama!!
(-Shri Padma-PurAna, UttarKhanda 281/34)
So chant any other Naam or Mantra billion times, One Ram Naam will bestow more fruit!
In the end, I will say both Lord Ram and Lord Krishna are one and same in essence, they are not two!
||Shri Ram-Krishna Dev Ki Jay||
||Hare Ram Hare Krishna||
||Akhil-Brahmaand-Nayak Sarveshwar Bhagavan Shri Ram ki Jay||
||SitaRam||
||SitaRam||
||Shrimad Janaki-Vallabho Vijayatetram||
A devotee has been troubled by a claim raised by a person affiliated to a religious organisation and belonging to a particular sect. He asked me to help him.
He was told in "Hare Ram" mantra the name Ram doesn't come for Ram the consort of Sita, but it comes for either Bala-Ram or lord Krishna.
However this is nothing but a false propaganda to say the name Ram doesn't refer to Sita-Pati Ram in Hare Ram Mantra.
Truth is whenever the name Ram comes for Aadi-purusa it refers to Lord Ram, so who is that Ram? He is the consort of Bhagavati Sita, the elder of Lakshman, the one worshiped by Hanuman constantly, (- Srimad Bhagavatam 5.19.1, https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10151203268130382 ), the one who is meditated by lord Shiva constantly, the one who sports in heart of Kak-Bhusundi.
And in fact Bhagavatam says - There is no one equal to Ram, so what to talk anyone greater than him in first place!
So can anyone estimate the offense committed and sins accumulated by the blind followers who say there is no lord Ram in hare Ram Mantra everywhere?
If someone preaches such nonsense, then he is not fooling ordinary people but he is sinner of his own soul.
So people should not take seriously such blind followers and .
Why Ram Naam in Hare Ram Mantra refers to Lord Ram.
Reasons are as below:-
1) I give a very simple logic to all those who feel there is no Lord Ram in Hare Ram Mantra...but someone else.
I ask - Whose Glory has been described in not only one but 100 crore (Shatkoti) Ramayanas ("Rama" + Ayana)..? Is it very difficult to answer?
Is the word "RamayaNa" not enough to know when we talk about supreme personality then the name "Ram" refers to whom?
Anyways I ask again, So how many scriptures are completely devoted to Bala-Ram? Not even one!
Because Bala-Rama is mere a servant of Akhil-Brahmand Nayak Sarveshwar Bhagavan Shri Ram. Many times in Shrimad Bhagavatam, it is said Bala-Rama is amsha-avatar of lord Krishna, not the Parambrahman or supreme god himself.
But Lord Ram is Primeval-Purusa, The Aadi-Deva not only in Shrimad Bhagavatam but throughout in all Vedic-scriptures in one voice.
One should not behave like a blind and so not being able to recognize the blazing brilliant shining sun in sky in mid-noon even after having two eyes! Otherwise those souls would be ridiculed in all the worlds.
The one who has not seen Shri Rama and the one whom Shri Rama has not yet seen, that unfortunate one is blamed and ridiculed in all the worlds and by all the people and (to the extent that) that person’s own self blames him of it.
The moment Shri Ram casts his benign look upon us, our life becomes successful from that instant alone.
2) If one would ask a simple village child who is known by the name "Rama"?
His possible answers would be any of these:-
- Ram is Bhagavan.
- Ram is the hero of RamayaNa.
- Ram is the lord of Ayodhya.
- Ram is the consort of Sita, elder of Lakshman.
Most probably He would laugh on this question and say - "Don't You know Ram who is he, are you really serious? if you don't know, then let me tell you who is Ram whom whole world knows, He is Bhagavan, He is hero of RamayaNa."
He would never tell name Ram refers to Bala-Ram or someone who has kept this sweet name in his village.
3) In "Hare Ram Hare Krishna" Mantra there are sixteen words which are told to be names of Aadi-Purusa NarayaNa.. we clearly know He is Ram who is told to be Aadi-Purusa in all Vedic scriptures starting from Rig Veda through Valmiki Ramayana and 1 billion Ramayanas to Shrimad Bhagavatam.
however for a moment if someone assumes Ram in Hare Ram mantra has come for Bala-Rama, then Kali-Santaran Upanishad refutes such assumptions and it would have never been said all these 16 words refer to Aadi-purusa NarayaNa... (Aadi-narayaNa is lord Ram).
From Kali-Sanataran Upanishad Itself-
bhagavata AdipuruShasya nArAyaNasya nAmoccAraNamAtreNa nirdhRtakalir
bhavati| nAradah punah papraccha tannAma kimiti | 3
"'By merely uttering the names of the "Primeval Purusha", who is Bhagavan Aadi-Narayana (Shri Ram), one is freed from the clutches of Kali.' Narada asked again: 'What are those names of Narayana?'"
sa hovaca hiraNyagarbhah |
hare rAma hare rAma rAma rAma hare hare |
hare kRShNa hare kRShNa kRShNa kRShNa hare hare |
iti ShoDaSakam nAmnAm kalikalmaShanASanam |
nAtah parataropAyah sarvavedeShu dRSyate | 4
Then BrahmA said to Narada those names of Aadi-Purusa NarayaNa are::
'O Hari, O Rama, O Hari, O Rama, O Rama O Rama, O Hari, O Hari!
O Hari, O Krishna, O Hari, O Krishna, O Krishna O Krishna, O Hari, O Hari!
So thinking the mantra refers to Bala-Ram the servant of Ram (Krishna) instead of master Ram himself is foolishness to the core.
4) Bala-Rama is mere servant of lord Ram or Lord Krishna..and in fact Bala-Ram's position as being elder brother of Krishna is not eternal.. as no one could be elder brother of the Primeval Purusa lord Ram or Lord Krishna.
So believing everything like a blind man without logics is nature of fools...and a sincere truth seeker must stop buying such weird things.
So saying it refers to Bala-Rama, the servant of Rama, instead of Rama the master of servant is nothing but a joke. We should feel pity for those fools who propagate such non-sense among general people..who don't have proper knowledge of Vedic-scriptures.
5) In reality Ram is primeval god.. the first Primeval-Purusa and later on his "younger" brothers were manifested for Leela. No one can be elder to the primeval Purusa Rama..
6) Anyone can keep the most glorious name "Ram", but that doesn't make him equal to Ram, isn't it? So It is glory and attraction of the name of Lord Ram that even his amsha-avataras like Parashu-Ram and Bala-Rama assumed the eternal name of Bhagavan Shri Ram... but it didn't make them equal to Ram in anyway.
(read about Parashuram here: https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=462747330415176 )
7) So Why does name "Ram" refer to Ram alone?
When Lord Shiva talks about the glory of Lord Ram in Padma-Puran, he says:-
Rama Nama Parambrahman Sarvadevadhikam Mahat
[Padma-Puran]
Rama Naam is ITSELF Parambrahman and hence greater than all gods combined.
Such glory is never described for any other name, because Ram Naam is the most perfect name sung by all.
It is told to be Parambrahman ITSELF and direct denote to Parambrahman.. in Ram-Tapniya-Upanishad. (Ved-PramaNa)
However other names like Krishna, NarayaNa, VishNu are synonym to Parambrahman, but Ram Naam is ITSELF Parambrahman.
So whenever we refer to Aadi-purusa or Parambrahman by name 'Rama', It means we are referring to the name of prince of Saket-Loka, Shri Ram, not to me if I keep the most beautiful name Rama or not to his another servant Bala-Rama. Only Shri Ram is the Brahman, rest all are his servants.
So why is there name of lord Krishna?
In world there are various types of people, everyone has their own Ishta-Deva, so one would like to see his Ishta Deva in Mantra.. so there are names of Krishna and Hari (lord VishNu) also.
One may not be devoted to chant the direct denote to Parambrahman "Ram" Naam as chanted by great divinities like Hanuman, and Lord Shiva etc. So There are another names of Parambrahman.
9) So in reality there is name of Lord Ram the Aadi-Purusa in Hare Ram Hare Krishna Mantra... However people devoted to lord Krishna should think name Ram refers to lord Krishna (but never to Bala-Rama as he is mere servant of Supreme-Purusa) and people devoted to Lord Ram should think name Ram, Hari and Krishna refers to supreme Purusa Ram if they want to chant Hare Ram Mantra.
So how the name Krishna refers to lord Ram also-
In fact in the Vedavatar Valmiki RamayaNa which is the most and first ancient scripture after eternal Vedas, Lord BrahmA has said these names for lord Rama -
So lord BrahmA says - O' lord Ram, You are Lord VishNu, You are lord Krishna (or You will incarnate as Lord Krishna) and in fact You are supreme ruler of all creatures.
So the name Krishna can also be employed to call Lord Ram...
It is specialty with name of "Ram" that it is enough to chant Ram.. Ram.. like this without any addition of other words or name... in fact the first primeval sound Pranava "Aum" and "Ram" are same and one as per Panini-Vyakaran.
10) Some people who are devoted to Yugal-Sarkar Shri Sita-Ram or Shri Radha-Krishna, they can have this Bhaav (feeling) that Hare word refers to either Sita or Radha Ji.
11) So what is Vedic-Vidhi of Chanting this Mantra?
The correct order of Chanting this Mantra is in first Hare Ram, then Hare Krishna as like this:
Hare Ram Hare Ram Ram Ram Hare Hare
Hare Krishna Hare Krishna Krishna Krishna Hare Hare
Another authority is Satvika-PuraNa Padma PuraNa whenever Hare Ram Hare Krishna is said there is original order of Hare Ram in first and then Hare Krishna...
12) Devotees of Lord Krishna could chant name of Ram with enthusiasm, so one can think the name Ram refers to Radha + Madhav.
But in reality the name "Ram" always refers to the Supreme Purusa Shri Ram the consort of Sita who dwells in the supreme abode "Ayodhya" if taken in sense of primeval-Purusa and we know scriptures glorify the name of Supreme purusa alone.
Isn't it the greatness of the name of lord Ram, that it constitutes many such meanings like Ram = Radha + Madhava. So a Krishna devotee can chant Just "Ram" Naam for Yugal Sarkar Radha Madhava.
It is because the name "Ram" is not just a name but it is ITSELF Param-Brahman as well as a Bija-Mantra (seed mantra) which gives several meanings. It is Param-Mantra.
Scriptures say for Sita-Ram Bhakts they should take Ram = Ram (Ra) + Sita (Ma-Kaar = Maa Sita). In fact this is is the more perfect meaning as Ma (Ma-Kaar seed) denotes to Swarupa-Shakti Sita. Without presence of Ma-Kaar in any Mantra, It would not yield any fruit or bliss to devotee... so there is inseparable Ma-Kaar in "Aum" and "Ram" so we have to have Ma-Kaar in any Mantra .
In Padma-PurAna, Lord Shiva Says to Parvati:
The divine fruits one achieves by chanting all other Mantras and all the Vedas; billions of times of that fruits one can easily obtain just by uttering Rama-nama!!
(-Shri Padma-PurAna, UttarKhanda 281/34)
So chant any other Naam or Mantra billion times, One Ram Naam will bestow more fruit!
In the end, I will say both Lord Ram and Lord Krishna are one and same in essence, they are not two!
||Shri Ram-Krishna Dev Ki Jay||
||Hare Ram Hare Krishna||
||Akhil-Brahmaand-Nayak Sarveshwar Bhagavan Shri Ram ki Jay||
||SitaRam||
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